Sinister 2,578 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I've recovered, wife recovered, kids never really had much of a problem with it. Mother in Law is still sick. Going back to Kentucky this weekend to see her doctor. My favorite co worker lost his Uncle to the virus this morning. He was sick for weeks but was finally moved to a rehab facility only to lose the fight. Co worker is ok about it, more bugged by his uncles refusal to wear a mask or social distance of any kind at age 83 and get himself killed because of it. He got it from a night out at the bowling alley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel 5,180 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 A question for @Fido_le_muet The vaccines are being rolled out worldwide. Most western countries are getting millions of people injected with the life saving injections. Not France though, less than 1,000 people have received the vaccine there according to the statistics that have been published. We know it’s not because the country is incapable of providing a good healthcare service, the French medical system is great but why aren’t people wanting the vaccine? I’m seeing lots of conjecture and rumours but would be nice to get the facts from someone who actually lives there. The numbers are baffling, there are always going to be some people opposed to vaccines but it seems to be opposition on a national scale. Are the published numbers wrong and more of the French people are taking up the vaccine but for whatever reason the data isn’t being published. It seems to be very strange behaviour and I don’t understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schumi6581 833 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, Squirrel said: A question for @Fido_le_muet The vaccines are being rolled out worldwide. Most western countries are getting millions of people injected with the life saving injections. Not France though, less than 1,000 people have received the vaccine there according to the statistics that have been published. We know it’s not because the country is incapable of providing a good healthcare service, the French medical system is great but why aren’t people wanting the vaccine? I’m seeing lots of conjecture and rumours but would be nice to get the facts from someone who actually lives there. The numbers are baffling, there are always going to be some people opposed to vaccines but it seems to be opposition on a national scale. Are the published numbers wrong and more of the French people are taking up the vaccine but for whatever reason the data isn’t being published. It seems to be very strange behaviour and I don’t understand it. Don't know about France but here we havent even started yet. And that is all about logistics. They focussed their logistics fully on the easier to distribute AstraZeneca vaccine because at first it loojed like the first to be allowed. Now the Pfizer one is the first (with -70 degrees storage temp) so they had to change everything. They are starting friday. Maybe France has similar issues? Or is it really because people dont want it?? idk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel 5,180 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Schumi6581 said: Don't know about France but here we havent even started yet. And that is all about logistics. They focussed their logistics fully on the easier to distribute AstraZeneca vaccine because at first it loojed like the first to be allowed. Now the Pfizer one is the first (with -70 degrees storage temp) so they had to change everything. They are starting friday. Maybe France has similar issues? Or is it really because people dont want it?? idk... I suppose it’s quite possible that a lot of the vaccines are stuck in a truck park in the south east of England 🤦♂️ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw180 6,833 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 From what I read, in France levels of skepticism about vaccines are particularly high so the government want to introduce it gently to show they are not forcing it on people and it's completely safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido_le_muet 5,197 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @Squirrel Logistics, unpreparedness and incompetence. We have one of the best healthcare service in the world, I really believe that. It's our government that is... sub par to be polite. We're using the Pfizer BioNtech vaccine as it's the only one that got the OK from the EU so far (IIRC). I think there are several explanations for this debacle (cause it is ridiculous compared to... well everyone else). The strategy : The choice was made to vaccine first the elderly in retirement homes and only them (+ the few healthcare/doctors that work there). The bureaucracy : It's becoming clearer and clearer that the way we do things in France is too dated, too slow, too lame, archaic, obsolete you name it. Every decision needs 10 prior decisions to finally go to what was the objective at first. In the vaccines case, we don't just ask people if they want the vaccine or not. That would be too simple. Since we chose to vaccine the elderly in retirement homes, we need to get their consent. And since they are in retirement homes, maybe they're not capable to give a proper consent. So we ask the families. That takes time. And then, to be sure, the patient has to see a doctor first that gives the OK for her/him to be vaccinated. See ? Paperworks and more paperworks. Do you want the vaccine yes or no ? Period. The politics : The government isn't doing a very good job right now. In fact, they haven't been doing a very good job since the beginning and it's more and more obvious since this crisis hit. It's all very amateurish actually. The communication is disastrous. They contradict each other all the time. Never say the same numbers. It's pretty lame. There is incompetence among our ministers and theeir staff that is certain. Problem is they are running the country so we can't have that. Certainly not during a pandemic. The social context : It's been a rough couple years here in France. Social tensions are very high. We had almost a whole year of contestation and demonstrations in late 2018/2019 with the "Gilets Jaunes" movement. It was a good cause at first which called for more social justice. I completely agreed with the movement at first but it quickly went downhill as multiple other claims appeared and it all became very messy. Violence rose fast and hard and the initial message was lost completely. Consequently, a lot of people lost faith in our politics. In fact, this has been happening for almost 40 years as people are always disappointed in our leaders, president after president. So now, a high percentage of the population is "against" what the government says by default. The trust is gone. Many think the government wants to screw us all the time. That there is an agenda. This is accentuated by the social medias on Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, Snapchat, whatever else. People are seriously receiving information through these websites where nothing is verified and they take it as the reality, without question. This is a grave danger for social stability IMO but that's another debate. The french people : You're right @djw180. There is a lot of skepticism from french people toward the vaccine. Compared to other countries, it is very high indeed. A lot of people are scared of secondary effects. For no good reasons really because that vaccine has been cleared by multiple health agencies. But there is a growing anti vaccination movement. For all vaccines really. There is a defiance towards the politics like I said before but also towards science now. Several doctors, virologist, epidemiologist and such aren't helping cause they are themselves anti vaccine. So we have doctors who are pro vaccine and other who are against but all of them contradict each other and create doubt and suspicion among the population. In fact, everything is subject to contestation anyway. You know how we are, we're always on strike, always demonstrating, always grumpy. Nothing is ever right. Well, it is true. And it's more and more true everyday. Facebook and such helps a lot with that I believe. To tell you about myself : I have mixed feelings about the vaccine as well. I always thought vaccines took a lot of time to be developed, several years at least. And suddenly we have one in less that a year. Hmmm... suspicious. But this is a huge worldwide crisis so every lab in the world searched for a vaccine so it's no surprise we got one so quicly considering the ressources dedicated to research. I know that the vaccine is safe. And if there are side effects, they will be very mild and will affect very few people. There could be a faw bad cases of side effects but I don't really believe it's a concern. I'm not anti vaccine at all. I voluntarily vaccinated my daughter 11 times without blinking an eye. They are mandatory sure but I never doubted that it would be beneficial for her, as they were for me when I was a kid. Anyway, despite my initial reservations about the Covid vaccine, I won't hesitate to get it once it's my turn. But it likely won't be before late 2021. Sorry for the long post but it's my take on the french situation. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmurko 7,622 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 You pretty much described todays society Fido, it's about the same here and as you say, social media and believing everything that gets posted is to be blamed for the most part. Funny how people quickly jump on a meme with made up facts and believe it to be true, yet quickly doubt a statement from an expert with facts (and research) to back them up. I find this utterly strange. People are getting stupider and stupider (is that even a word). Highly incompetent goverment here as well (doesn't really matter who is in it), looks like only the scum of the earth sociopaths choose to go into politics nowadays. 😠 I don't even wanna go into the measures taken to fight this pandemic here over the last 2-3 months, because for the most part they make no sense at all and they change weekly and are communicated badly by the goverment. It's no wonder we have some of the highest numbers in the world (positive cases and deaths per million), (stupid) people don't have a clue what to do or what is true or false anymore, unless you do your own research and use your own judgement. Most people are sheep and choose to believe what suits them best, it doesn't matter if it's true or false, right or wrong. 😕 Same with the vaccines now ... Quote S U N D A Y R A C I N G L E A G U E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel 5,180 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 France finally has some numbers on the board! Hopefully they will start increasing rapidly. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schumi6581 833 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Squirrel said: France finally has some numbers on the board! Hopefully they will start increasing rapidly. Nice to also see The Netherlands up there.... oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schumi6581 833 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 How are you guys doing right now, Corona-wise? Here at home everybody is still healthy. But here and there I hear people getting infected or worse. The country is in a total lockdown at the moment. Only essential stores are open and there is a curfew between 21.00h and 04.30h. The plan is that elementary school will open next week. Curfew, middel school, stores etc will follow. Infections have dropped but still 4000 new cases per day and the last few days they seem to be rising again (possibly due to the british mutation of the virus). I have nothing to complain about work and financials but do find it difficult to stay motivated for work because we are still working from home. Hopefully our freedom of moment will increase in the next weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister 2,578 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 No clue honestly. I get up and go to work everyday. See some folks in masks and some not. Don’t watch the news and only see a few stories on my homepage before doing things on the net. All they talk about is politicians fighting over aid and how many tens of thousands they expect to die by the summer. Oh yeah, can’t forget the near constant updates about new strains and why we should be terrified of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidCore89 7,402 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Things are looking better here in Wales. Still have 2 weeks of lockdown to go, but numbers have dropped from 2-3000 daily cases down to 1-200 since the start of January. Hopefully some normality is coming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_95973 4,378 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Numbers are leveling off a bit in California. Omar and my parents just got their vaccine! Very happy about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lann 10,838 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Here today they opened up for all youngsters up to 20yrs to get back practicing their sports. It might seem like a small thing, but i think its a very good thing, for my fam and for all youngsters mental health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schumi6581 833 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lann said: Here today they opened up for all youngsters up to 20yrs to get back practicing their sports. It might seem like a small thing, but i think its a very good thing, for my fam and for all youngsters mental health. Mental health is a real issue indeed. My eldest daughter is in middle school and online classes and not being able to talk to friends face to face are actually making her feel depressed. Discussions all go through WhatsApp and other social media. And that off course doesnt work and makes it worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banketelli 3,655 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Here only the youngest are going back to school. All other restrictions continue to at least feb 28. Though numbers are dropping fast, the government won't take any chances with the British mutation on its way which they expect will hit us hard. On a personal level, things are much the same as the past many months. Masks are a part of the routine when shopping and at work corona doesn't seem to really exist. Still only know one person who have had it. Hopefully it will stay that way. Edited February 4, 2021 by Banketelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido_le_muet 5,197 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Still in full Covid mode over here. About 20000 new cases per day, 300-400 deaths per day. Numbers are kinda stable but rising a little bit. We came this close to lockdown last week but to everyone's surprise, the government decided against it and now it looks like they won't do it. Economy > health nationwide curfew from 6pm to 6am Big malls (>20000m²) closed schools open since mid-may. Mix of online and normal classes for kids over 11 years old universities are online only work at home is encouraged but honestly it's ridiculous compared to most western EU countries. My employer just gave me a laptop 3 days ago ! indoor sports are prohibited, even for kids. Bars, restaurants, cinemas, concert halls are closed since late october. No skiing this year. Masks are mandatory almost everywhere at all times 😷 Borders are closed since last week Everyone wants to be vaccinated now. Nobody wanted to 2 months ago 🤪 Vaccine is for elderly people (75+) and healthcare workers only. Plans to give it to more people soon but there are no stocks More and more people are feeling depressed, especially students. There's more and more talk about the psychological effects of the crisis On a personal note, my brother caught it last month but only had mild symptoms (fatigue, coughing, loss of smell). His girlfriend didn't get it even though they are together at home 24/7. Weird. I had a couple close calls, several coworkers got it but so far so good. Morale is still good but I'm feeling a bit tired of this now. Social interactions with friends is non existent and it's hard to not see the family as much as we'd like. My daughter is starting school this september so I hope things are better by then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wecang 109 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I don't usually post often (not since forever?? 😅) But right now at work is stressful. We have 4 cases on my floor and 1 already passed away last weekend. We are on outbreak and hopefully all will be cleared this weekend. 3rd week swabbing done today for almost 200 elderly residents and hoping all will get negative results. Be safe everyone!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryannosaurusRex 1,173 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I’m out at work as normal. I’ve been working since I came off furlough back in July. I don’t think it’s right as I’m going into peoples homes most days - 4 different houses today, I’m wearing a mask and limiting my time inside and writing up my survey data in the van. I work alone and when I’m in the houses I ask people to stay in one room whilst I go from room to room and get them to go to another room when I need to get into that room (it’s what I have to do pre COVID anyway). Cases are relatively low here compared to most other parts of the country. The vast majority of people have no issues with me coming into their homes. My girlfriend has been working from home since last March and goes into the office 1 day a week most weeks. The hardest part for us is the lack of socialising and being able to see friends & family. My parents had the Pfizer vaccine last weekend and will get their second dose end of March. I don’t know many people who’ve had COVID - a colleague and a couple of friends. My 85 year old uncle died just before Christmas and may have caught it whilst in hospital. He was going to pass away anyway as he had Stage 4 lung cancer, dementia and had fallen due to a possible stroke (which was why he was in hospital). The girl in the council flat I was working in this morning had a PS5. b*tch! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidCore89 7,402 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Here we now have our lowest infection rate in 4 months. It's happening! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw180 6,833 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 My wife is getting vaccinated next week (she's in a high risk group) and should be back at work early March. I'll have to wait a bit longer but working from home now whatever, so does not make much difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjss924 576 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 In lieu of vaccinating, I've decided my family will build our immune systems. We only use 7-11 restrooms now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zztop911 1,609 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jjss924 said: In lieu of vaccinating, I've decided my family will build our immune systems. We only use 7-11 restrooms now. I started using the truck stop. Ya get more exposure to different crap from all over the nation. Quote I only grow in living soil! Because Fat Buds Matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido_le_muet 5,197 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I was wondering what the situation was for you guys. Here we are in the middle of the 3rd lockdown. Well if you can call it that cause only schools and non essential stores are closed. Vaccination is picking up after a slooooowwwww start but hospitals and ICUs are full. People are refusing the AstraZeneca vaccine and looks like it's gonna be the same with Janssen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schumi6581 833 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fido_le_muet said: I was wondering what the situation was for you guys. Here we are in the middle of the 3rd lockdown. Well if you can call it that cause only schools and non essential stores are closed. Vaccination is picking up after a slooooowwwww start but hospitals and ICUs are full. People are refusing the AstraZeneca vaccine and looks like it's gonna be the same with Janssen. Here they stopped vaccinaton with AstraZ and Janssen because of the risk for blood clots. We are in second lockdown since december. stores are now allowed to receive customers but only by appointment for a certain duration. Elementary schools are open. Middel school is partially open. Universities are still giving online classes. Bars and restaurants still closed. I dont expect to be vaccinated before august. Edited April 15, 2021 by Schumi6581 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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